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Re: Draft 2018 ...
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2018, 09:27:33 PM »

Si ce ne sont pas des two way, on en parle que pour rêver lol

Je te souhaite d'être heureux un jour de repêchage...
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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2018, 09:57:17 PM »


Et en 2020, avec de la chance, tu peux repêcher Lafrenière :P

Ish Lafrenière, quel joueur, il est dominant à... 15-16 ans...

Même que Rimouski ne s'attendait pas à être aussi bon cette année mais le jeune les amène à un autre niveau.

Voyez ben qu'une vraie reconstruction, en échangeant les Price, Weber et Pacioretty, pourrait être payante.

Perso, si ça veut dire repêcher Lafrenière, je suis prêt à endurer 3 ans de vache maigre mais après ça le CH serait une équipe VRAIMENT dominante...

Surtout qu'en 3 ans de vache maigre, tu as l'occasion de récupérer pas mal de jeunesse prometteuse, et tu as Lafrenière comme point culminant... c'est beau rêver! Moi je prendrais pas de chance, j'irais me chercher les 30 autres choix de première ronde de 2020... ;)
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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2018, 10:25:06 PM »


Et en 2020, avec de la chance, tu peux repêcher Lafrenière :P

Ish Lafrenière, quel joueur, il est dominant à... 15-16 ans...

Même que Rimouski ne s'attendait pas à être aussi bon cette année mais le jeune les amène à un autre niveau.

Voyez ben qu'une vraie reconstruction, en échangeant les Price, Weber et Pacioretty, pourrait être payante.

Perso, si ça veut dire repêcher Lafrenière, je suis prêt à endurer 3 ans de vache maigre mais après ça le CH serait une équipe VRAIMENT dominante...

Surtout qu'en 3 ans de vache maigre, tu as l'occasion de récupérer pas mal de jeunesse prometteuse, et tu as Lafrenière comme point culminant... c'est beau rêver! Moi je prendrais pas de chance, j'irais me chercher les 30 autres choix de première ronde de 2020... ;)

Avec cette cuvée-là, tu espères te bâtir une équipe et tu risque d'voir qu'une ou deux chances pour gagner la coupe avec eux avant qu'ils deviennent trop dispendieux pour les garder ensembles. On s'entend que ce n'est pas tous les joueurs qui viennent à maturité en même temps...
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« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2018, 07:27:23 AM »

... et on s'entend que je n'étais pas sérieux avec mon histoire de 30 choix en 2020.

Évidemment, une reconstruction n'est pas gage de succès, et même si c'est prometteur, une foule de circonstance peuvent venir la retarder ou la gâcher (ça a longtemps été le cas de Columbus, c'est toujours le cas en Floride, les Islanders ca dépend des années, Edmonton ont les croyaient bien partie mais.... Winnipeg sort enfin la tête de l'eau, etc.). Mais avec la profondeur du prochain repêchage et les gros noms des 2-3 prochaines années, le timing ne serait pas trop mauvais pour tenter sa chance et faire quelques mouvements intelligents pour au moins se donner des options en ce sens. S'il était possible d'ajouter quelques choix de 1-2-3e ronde au courant des trois prochaines années, j'irais vers cette voie, et c'est la base sur laquelle je construirais.
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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2018, 07:42:25 AM »

Quand je dis que je veux que le CH soit en mode reconstruction, ce n'est pas comme à Toronto ou à Buffalo. Ces deux équipes on tout échangé, ils n'ont rien gardé, ils n'avaient aucune base. Ça marché pour Toronto, mis pas pour Buffalo.

Mtl a, entre autre comme jeunes joueurs, Drouin, Mete, Hudon, Lekhonen, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Danault. On ne part donc pas de rien! Pour les "autres" joueurs, certains ont une valeur marchande de correct (Plekanec) à excellente (MaxPac). Une reconstruction intelligente, orchestrée de main de maitre pourrait se faire plus rapidement que prévue... C'est là que la présence de MB me fait peur...
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« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2018, 09:39:58 AM »

Perso, je passerais Price au draft pour amorcer cette fameuse reconstruction.

Je ne crois pas que le CH pourra vraiment reconstruire avec lui à bord.

S'agit juste qu'il se décide à goaler pour 0,933% certaines années, fausser les données et là on va retomber dans les vains espoirs, les mirages et le patchage...

Qu'on prenne un/des mauvais contrat(s) (plus court) en échange et on pourrait certainement aller chercher un haut choix de repêchage + prospects (exemple à Vancouver: Gagner + Edler + Markstrom + choix 1ère ronde (4e total) + Thatcher Demko + Jonah Gadjovich).

De toute façon, mon petit doigt me dit qu'il demandera à quitter plus tôt que tard, l'ambiance montréalaise semble lui peser...


Pour ce qui est de Weber, au début je me disais que le CH devait l'échanger lui aussi.

Par contre, je regarde le travail de mentorat qu'effectue Chara avec les jeunes défenseurs des Bruins et je me dis que le #6 du CH pourrait faire la même chose.
 
De plus, son contrat ''front-loadé'' date d'avant le lock-out, donc il y a une certaine responsabilité qui incombe aux Pretadors, alors c'est un peu moins inquiétant à ce niveau.

Mais bon, si une équipe fait une offre qu'on ne peut refuser, go go go  O0


Pour Pacioretty/Plekanec/Niemi/etc.. ce sont des no-brainers.

Le #67, voulez vous vraiment lui octroyer un contrat de 8-9 mil pour 6-7-8 ans alors qu'il aura 30 ans? Moi non...

Pleky, on l'a assez vu et il pourrait à tout le moins permettre au CH d'aller chercher un choix de 2e ronde minimum.
Niemi a de l'expérience (coupe Stanley) et fait bien depuis qu'il est ici, choix de 4-5e ronde, p-t 3e conditionnel ?

Il y a aussi le cas Byron, j'adore Ti-Paul mais il signera un contrat dans 1 an 1/2 lui aussi et demandera assurément 3-4 mil.
Il est un genre de joueur avec un style de jeu recherché pour les séries et on pourrait être étonné du retour au trade deadline.
Si l'offre est mirobolante (choix 1ère ronde + prospect ordinaire), je le laisserais partir. Sinon je le garderais.
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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2018, 10:50:34 AM »

Avec toutes les histoires autour de Price (fatigue chronique au début même de la saison come on!) et son 10.5M$/an oufff sa valeur est plus la même que l'été passée. Bravo à Marc Bergevin pour encore avoir trop attendu et pour avoir trop donné à un GARDIEN en plus ouffff.

Je m'attends à ce que ça fasse mal encore une couple d'années. Et si il reconstruisent pas ben ça va juste être encore plus long - P-e qu'on copi Toronto maintenant ha ha ha
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« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2018, 11:41:21 AM »

Si ce ne sont pas des two way, on en parle que pour rêver lol
Groulx est un two way.
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« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2018, 11:42:24 AM »

Que Groulx et McIsaac soient aussi bas en première ronde, ça me surprend! Ça veut surtout dire que y'a de la profondeur en es**. Je suis pas un spécialiste du Junior, mais ces deux-là avec Zadina à Halifax m'impressionnent chaque fois que je les vois. Que ce soit pour leur côté hockey ou pour leur tête sur leurs épaules!

J'irais All-In avec les 2 premiers!

Je vois McIsaac 10ième sur une liste de Noël et Groulx 28ième sur la même liste. Avec un choix tardif de première ronde dans l'échange pour Pacioretty, ça se pourrait de repêcher les deux pour le CH. :)

On dit de Groulx qu'il pourrait être vu dans plusieurs rôles différents au prochain niveau. Est-ce que ça veut dire qu'il a le potentiel pour devenir un premier centre ou est-ce que c'est plus un 'role' player?
Groulx sera probablement le meilleur joueur two way de son draft. Il deviendra un Patrice bergeron au mieux.
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« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2018, 01:38:02 PM »

HOCKEY NEWS
2018 DRAFT RANKINGS: DAHLIN STILL THE DARLING

The following rankings are based off of conversations I've had with scouts so far this season - a process that will ramp up as we get closer to June and the actual draft in Dallas. I try to form my rankings based on what I think will happen, You will also notice that there are no goalies in my top-40. So far, it's been a bad year for netminders and right now I don't see any going that high. With that all established, let's get to the list.

1- Rasmus Dahlin, D, Frolunda (Swe.): The world juniors confirmed what had already become obvious: Dahlin is a game-changing blueliner who can make intelligent moves in his own end and dazzling plays on offense. We haven't seen a defensive talent like this in a long time and Sweden's Olympic team agrees.

2- Andrei Svechnikov, RW, Barrie (OHL): Though the big Russian had a quiet world juniors, he could only play the role that was given to him. Nathan MacKinnon actually had a similar experience with Canada back in the day. With Barrie, Svechnikov has been a force, combining size, skill and a well-rounded game that will see him compete for an NHL job next year.

3- Brady Tkachuk, LW, Boston U. (Hockey East): Choosing between Tkachuk and Filip Zadina was tough, but Tkachuk just has such a complete game already that I gave him the nod. He's tough, he's talented and he's responsible enough to be trusted in the last minute of a game when his team is protecting a lead.

4- Filip Zadina, LW, Halifax (QMJHL): He's been one of the top scorers in the 'Q' all season and his world juniors performance for the Czechs was sublime. Zadina is a scintillating producer with good size and he never stops working out there.

5- Adam Boqvist, D, Brynas (Swe.): An excellent offensive threat from the blueline, Boqvist is also pretty good on the defensive end. Very much a new-school D-man, where mobility trumps size, Boqvist was recently loaned to Almtuna in Sweden's second tier, the Allsvenskan.

6- Oliver Wahlstrom, C, U.S. NTDP (USHL): A game-breaker and the leading scorer on the NTDP right now, Wahlstrom has an NHL shot and will go to the hard areas to get his points. Committed to Harvard, he could also play in the Quebec League next season.

7- Quinn Hughes, D, Michigan (BigTen): It's always impressive when a draft-eligible defenseman is playing college hockey and Hughes has been a sparkplug for the Wolverines. He's an elite puckmover and his skating is a sight to behold.

8- Barrett Hayton, C, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL): Nearly a point-per-game player on a deep, veteran Soo squad that is No. 1 in the CHL, Hayton is strong on the puck, very smart and has great leadership traits. Tons of upside here.

9- Evan Bouchard, D, London (OHL): Bouchard's contributions to the Knights will get even bigger in the second half since the team shed talent at the deadline. He's shooting a lot more this year and that's great, because he's an offensive driver from the blueline.

10- Isac Lundestrom, C, Lulea (SHL): Could be another Lias Andersson. Lundestrom is smart, talented and demonstrates a great two-way game. Led Sweden's most consistent line at the world juniors and is seen as a can't-miss selection.

11- Joel Farabee, LW, U.S. NTDP (USHL)
12- Bode Wilde, D, U.S. NTDP (USHL)
13- Noah Dobson, D, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL)
14- Rasmus Kupari, C, Karpat (Fin.)
15- Ty Smith, D, Spokane (WHL)
16- Ryan McLeod, C, Mississauga (OHL)
17- Benoit-Olivier Groulx, LW, Halifax (QMJHL)
18- Jett Woo, D, Moose Jaw (WHL)
19- Grigori Denisenko, LW, Loko (Rus.)
20- Joe Veleno, C, Drummondville (QMJHL)
21- Akil Thomas, C, Niagara (OHL)
22- Jacob Olofsson, C, Timra (Swe.)
23- Jared McIsaac, D, Halifax (QMJHL)
24- Jesperi Kotkaniemi, C, Assat (Fin.)
25- K’Andre Miller, D, U.S. NTDP (USHL)
26- Ryan Merkley, D, Guelph (OHL)
27- Martin Kaut, RW, Pardubice (Cze.)
28- Dominik Bokk, LW, Vaxjo (SHL)
29- Serron Noel, RW, Oshawa (OHL)
30- Vitali Kravtsov, LW, Traktor (KHL)
31- Jack McBain, C, Toronto (OJHL)

Jakub Lauko, C, Chomutov (Cze.)
Mattias Samuelsson, D, U.S. NTDP (USHL)
Philipp Kurashev, C, Quebec (QMJHL)
35- Blake McLaughlin, C, Chicago (USHL)

Sampo Ranta, LW, Sioux City (USHL)
Filip Johansson, D, Leksand (Swe.)
Rasmus Sandin, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Adam Ginning, D, Linkoping (Swe.)
40- Jesse Ylonen, RW, Espoo United (Fin.)
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Re: Draft 2018 ...
« Reply #85 on: January 26, 2018, 08:04:01 AM »

NHL.com writers Adam Kimelman, Mike G. Morreale and Guillaume Lepage agree that Sweden defenseman Rasmus Dahlin will be the No. 1 pick of the 2018 NHL Draft, but little else in their look at how the first round might go.

The 2018 draft will be held at American Airlines Center in Dallas on June 22-23.

The order used for this mock draft was based on the standings after games played Monday; the final draft order will be set after the Stanley Cup Playoffs

1. Arizona Coyotes

Kimelman -- Rasmus Dahlin, D, Frolunda (SWE): Hands-down the most talented player in the 2018 draft class. His offensive instincts are first-rate, and at 6-foot-2, 181 pounds, he's not afraid to play physically if needed. He's starred at every level of hockey and likely will have a big impact for Sweden at the 2018 PyeongChang Olympics as a 17-year-old (he turns 18 on April 13). He's the kind of player you build your franchise around.

Morreale -- Dahlin: A smart two-way defenseman with the skating, puck-handling, vision and intelligence required to play in the NHL as early as next season.

Lepage -- Dahlin: Do I really need to justify this pick? Dahlin has been firing on all cylinders since last season and he will be the first player selected in the draft.

2. Buffalo Sabres

Kimelman -- Andrei Svechnikov, RW, Barrie (OHL): An elite-level offensive performer. One scout said he's like an NHL player already. At 6-2, 186, he has the size to play in the League right away.

Morreale -- Svechnikov: Offers excellent offensive instincts and power with high-end skills and puck control.

Lepage -- Brady Tkachuk, LW, Boston University (H-EAST): He is the upgraded version of his brother, Flames forward Matthew Tkachuk. Brady (6-3, 196) appears to have better offensive potential and can easily get under his opponents' skin.

3. Ottawa Senators

Kimelman -- Tkachuk: The Senators could use some more strength up front. Tkachuk is big and strong enough to get anywhere he wants on the ice, and produce in a big way when he gets there.

Morreale -- Tkachuk: Possesses the size, hands and ability down low to create matchup problems for the opposition.
Lepage -- Filip Zadina, RW, Halifax (QMJHL): The Czech Republic-born forward showed what he is made of at the 2018 IIHF World Junior Championship. Zadina (6-0, 196) has continued to dominate since returning to Halifax. A sniper of this caliber doesn't come along every day.
Brady Tkachuk #7 of United States


4. Vancouver Canucks

Kimelman -- Quintin Hughes, D, Michigan (BIG10): His ability to control the game far exceeds any questions about his size (5-9, 170). A dazzling skater and puck-handler with a hard, accurate shot from the point.
Morreale -- Zadina: The Czech Republic native is a dynamic goal scorer with a quick, accurate release and speed.
Lepage -- Svechnikov: This power forward is surprisingly fast and has individual skills that cannot be taught.

5. Montreal Canadiens

Kimelman -- Zadina: The Canadiens need an influx of skill up front and Zadina has the offensive flair to be a big contributor.
Morreale -- Adam Boqvist, D, Brynas Jr. (SWE-JR): A skilled right-shot defenseman, Boqvist (5-11, 168) has excellent vision, good understanding of the game and solid on-ice awareness in transition.

Lepage -- Hughes: Offensive defensemen are in great demand these days and that's exactly what Hughes brings to the table. Give him the puck and he will create a scoring chance.

6. Florida Panthers

Kimelman -- Evan Bouchard, D, London (OHL): Big (6-2, 193), strong, skilled right-shot defensemen are a rare commodity. The Panthers have one with Aaron Ekblad (6-4, 216) and shouldn't pass on a chance to grab another in Bouchard.
Morreale -- Bouchard: His elite-level passing enables him to transition quickly. The right-shot defenseman can quarterback a power play and has a good one-timer.

Lepage -- Boqvist: Here is yet another Sweden-born defenseman who is compared to countryman Erik Karlsson (Ottawa Senators). Boqvist is a dynamic defender with excellent vision of the game and a powerful shot.

7. Edmonton Oilers

Kimelman -- Oliver Wahlstrom, RW, USA U-18 (NTDP): He has the puck skills to create room for himself and get his shot off from above the dots, and the size (6-1, 205) and strength to execute below the circles.
Morreale -- Noah Dobson, D, Acadie-Bathurst (QMJHL): An effective two-way, right-shot defenseman (6-3, 180) capable of supporting the rush or skating the puck out of trouble; has great upside.

Lepage -- Dobson: Though Dobson wasn't expected to be in this group at the start of the season, he has established himself as one of the best at his position. He combines reliable defense with offensive punch and may continue to improve his ranking.
Noah Dobson


8. Detroit Red Wings

Kimelman -- Boqvist: The Red Wings have drafted some good young forwards and now need some defensemen to get them the puck. Scouts see a lot of Erik Karlsson in Boqvist, who has dominated against players his own age in Sweden but hasn't gotten much time in the Swedish Hockey League.

Morreale -- Hughes: A prototypical offensive-defenseman, Hughes is a strong skater with good poise and puck skills.
Lepage -- Wahlstrom: A natural goal scorer who is lethal around the net. He's a powerful skater and can make an exceptional deke look like a routine play.


9. Carolina Hurricanes

Kimelman -- Isac Lundestrom, C, Lulea (SWE): The Hurricanes need more skilled depth through the middle and with Lundestrom (6-0, 185) and 2017 first-round pick (No. 12) Martin Necas, they would be building around two solid players.

Morreale -- Wahlstrom: Known for his goal-scoring ability and elite shot, Wahlstrom has a quick release and creates space for himself and linemates.

Lepage -- Rasmus Kupari, C, Karpat (FIN): The skilled Finland-born forward (6-1, 183) did not really have an opportunity to prove himself at the World Junior Championship but showed flashes of his potential thanks to his speed and soft hands.

10. Chicago Blackhawks

Kimelman -- Dobson: The Blackhawks will need to find someone to replace Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook at some point, and Dobson would make a strong candidate. The smooth-skating, right-shot defenseman has good size and mobility.

Morreale -- Ty Smith, D, Spokane (WHL): Chosen No. 1 in the 2015 WHL bantam draft, Smith (5-10, 176) exhibits poise, patience and the ability to play big minutes.

Lepage -- Bouchard: Without Victor Mete and Olli Juolevi in London this season, Bouchard has taken on more responsibilities and he's met the challenge with flying colors. His intelligence and poise serve him very well.

11. New York Islanders

Kimelman -- Kupari: The Islanders need young defensemen but Kupari's skill set is too dynamic to pass on.

Morreale -- Joseph Veleno, C, Drummondville (QMJHL): A skilled offensive player (6-1, 195) with a strong work ethic, leadership traits and the ability to create offense with his skating and intelligence.

Lepage -- Bode Wilde, D, USA U-18 (NTDP): This big (6-2, 195) defenseman hits hard and has a devastating shot. He's reliable in all three zones and could establish himself as the go-to guy for the Islanders for years to come.


12. Pittsburgh Penguins

Kimelman -- Joel Farabee, LW, USA U-18 (NTDP): His strengths are his quick-release shot, work ethic and hockey IQ. Farabee (5-11, 164) blends well with what the Penguins look for in their wings.

Morreale -- Lundestrom: A strong, smart skater who is very responsible in all areas of the ice. He succeeded in a checking role for Sweden at the 2018 World Junior Championship.

Lepage -- Barrett Hayton, C, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL): He plays more of a supporting role in a dynamic Sault Ste. Marie offense, but he has proven to be a complete player. Some scouts have compared Hayton (6-1, 191) to Boston Bruins center Patrice Bergeron.

13. Anaheim Ducks

Kimelman -- Hayton: He might not produce offensively in the NHL like he has this season in the OHL (42 points in 44 games), but he plays a complete game that could make him a valuable middle-six forward.

Morreale -- Kupari: Can play center or on the wing and is a strong, mobile skater who can create offensive opportunities at top speed.

Lepage -- Smith: His ability to consistently make the right decision in transition is what sets him apart from other defensemen. Smith's vision and offensive flair is reflected in his 38 assists in 46 games.

EDMONTON, AB - OCTOBER 22: Ty Smith #24 of the Spokane Chiefs skates against the Edmonton Oil Kings at Rogers Place on October 22, 2017 in Edmonton, Canada. (Photo by Codie McLachlan/Getty Images)

14. New York Rangers

Kimelman -- Wilde: Highly skilled right-shot defenseman skates well, and is big and strong enough to handle the opposing forecheck.

Morreale -- Wilde: An offensive-minded, right-shot defenseman with good size and strength, plus a good shot from the point.

Lepage -- Farabee: He may not be the most imposing forward, but Farabee does not back down. His speed allows him to avoid contact and there is no doubt that he can thread the needle with his passes.

15. Philadelphia Flyers

Kimelman -- Smith: The Flyers value smart, mobile defensemen who can make safe but strong plays with the puck. He can get the puck up the ice quickly or carry it and create in transition.

Morreale -- Serron Noel, RW, Oshawa (OHL): At 6-5, 200 pounds, Noel is much more than a prototypical power forward because of his good hands and creativity in the offensive end.

Lepage -- Lundestrom: In a thin crop of top-line centers, Lundestrom catches the eye with his speed, puck protection skills and offensive zone flair.

16. Columbus Blue Jackets

Kimelman -- Jesperi Kotkaniemi, C, Assat (FIN): Kotkaniemi (6-1, 188) is playing regular minutes in Liiga, Finland's top pro league and won't turn 18 until July 6. He's used in the middle and on the wing, and kills penalties, which speaks to his high hockey IQ.

Morreale -- Hayton: The center exhibits high-end puck skills, compete, poise and quick hands that enable him to make plays at top speed.

Lepage -- Grigori Denisenko, LW, Yaroslavl 2 (RUS-JR): Although on the smaller side at 5-11, 176 pounds, Denisenko is doing very well in his second season in the Russia junior league. A talented offensive performer, he knows how to explode when a lane opens in front of him.

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« Reply #86 on: January 26, 2018, 08:04:21 AM »

17. Los Angeles Kings

Kimelman -- Noel: One scout said Noel reminds him of Winnipeg Jets forward Blake Wheeler. Speed and size are NHL caliber, and as he continues to develop and get stronger he has the upside of a top-end power forward.

Morreale -- Kotkaniemi: A playmaker with good hockey sense and a knack for getting off a shot quickly and accurately.

Lepage -- Veleno: He had a slow start to the season with Saint John, but a trade to Drummondville seems to have done him a world of good. He has 15 points (two goals, 13 assists) in 10 games since the trade; he had 31 points (six goals, 25 assists) in 31 games with Saint John.

18. New York Islanders (from Calgary Flames)

Kimelman -- Ryan Merkley, D, Guelph (OHL): A high-risk/high-reward right-shot defenseman with top-end speed (5-11, 170). The same reservations some scouts have about Merkley are the same ones they had 10 years ago about an 18-year-old Erik Karlsson. Under general manager Garth Snow, the Islanders have shown a willingness to take chances at the draft and Merkley could be their latest one.

Morreale -- Farabee: A good puck mover with outstanding vision, Farabee is hard on pucks in all areas of the ice and has good offensive instincts.

Lepage -- Jared McIsaac, D, Halifax (QMJHL): After an impressive first season in Halifax in 2016-17, McIsaac took a while to get going this season but has hit his stride. The left-shot defenseman (6-1, 195) is effective on both sides of the puck, but it is his defensive-zone play that helps him stand out.

NHL Draft prospect Jared McIsaac of the Halifax Moosheads.

19. New Jersey Devils

Kimelman -- McIsaac: The Devils have done a great job building a deep group of young forwards. McIsaac fills a need as a two-way presence who can start the breakout with smart passes.

Morreale -- Rasmus Sandin, D, Sault Ste. Marie (OHL): Sweden-born left-handed shot defenseman (5-11, 183) has great mobility and poise in handling the puck in all situations.

Lepage -- Akil Thomas, C, Niagara (OHL): With 50 points (12 goals, 38 assists) in 44 games, this 5-11, 169-pound fast skater has picked up as where he left off last season, when he was third among OHL rookies with 48 points (21 goals, 27 assists) in 61 games. Thomas is a hard worker who never lets up.

20. Toronto Maple Leafs

Kimelman -- Mattias Samuelsson, D, USA U-18 (NTDP): He uses his size (6-3, 217) and strength the way his father, 14-season NHL veteran Kjell Samuelsson, did, but has an offensive game with room to grow.

Morreale -- Benoit-Olivier Groulx, C, Halifax (QMJHL): Has a good hockey IQ, competes hard and has a strong two-way game. Groulx (6-1, 192) is good at winning battles in the offensive zone.

Lepage -- Groulx: He quickly took to the important responsibility of centering the top line this season, which demonstrates his reliability. There still is room for improvement on offense but he is trending in the right direction.

21. Minnesota Wild

Kimelman -- Calen Addison, D, Lethbridge (WHL): There might be some questions about his ability to play defense in the NHL, but the right-shot defenseman (5-10, 179) has dynamic offensive skills that make him a top-end prospect.

Morreale -- Thomas: Has NHL-caliber speed and is relentless on the puck. He's unselfish and gives his team an honest, two-way effort every game.

Lepage -- Merkley: His offensive skills are top-notch but he still has a lot of work to do defensively. A team capable of living with the holes in Merkley's defensive gaps will get an extremely dynamic and productive defenseman.

22. Colorado Avalanche

Kimelman -- Denisenko: Creative, skilled and a strong skater who needs to add some size but projects as a top-six forward. The Avalanche focused on defense at the 2017 draft with Cale Makar and Conor Timmins as their first two selections, so now they can shift to adding to their prospect pipeline up front.

Morreale -- Denisenko: The right-shot forward maneuvers well in traffic, can protect the puck and is strong and effective in the corners.

Lepage -- Jacob Olofsson, C, Timra (SWE-2): The left-shot center effectively uses his size (6-2, 192) for excellent puck protection and does everything the right way even though no particular facet of his game stands out.

23. Dallas Stars

Kimelman -- Jack McBain, C, Toronto JC (OJHL): His size (6-3, 197) is tantalizing and he answered some questions with a strong showing (six points in four games) for Canada East at the World Junior A Challenge in December. He's committed to Boston College and if allowed to develop eventually could provide quality depth behind Tyler Seguin.

Morreale -- McIsaac: A good puck-moving defenseman capable of supporting the rush and distributing on the power play.

Lepage -- Ryan McLeod, C, Mississauga (OHL): Seems to have inherited the same speed as his older brother Michael McLeod, chosen by the Devils with the No. 12 pick in 2016. Ryan (6-2, 200) is a little bigger than Michael (6-2, 188) and is very effective in the face-off circle.

Ryan McLeod was selected to the CHL/NHL Top Prospects Game.

24. San Jose Sharks

Kimelman -- Veleno: More of a playmaker than a goal scorer, Veleno is an outstanding skater with a great work ethic.

Morreale -- Merkley: The right-shot defenseman, one of the more offensively gifted draft prospects at his position, has the vision and skills to quarterback a power play.

Lepage -- Sandin: The Sweden-born defenseman has been quick to adapt to the North American style of play with Sault Ste. Marie. He has 28 points (five goals, 23 assists) and a plus-24 rating in 32 games.

25. Philadelphia Flyers (from St. Louis Blues)

Kimelman -- McLeod: Philadelphia loves finding centers and shifting them to the wing. McLeod, a left-handed shot, has the skating ability, strength and size to prosper at the NHL level playing on the wall.

Morreale -- Samuelsson: He has the size, style and edge as his father, former NHL defenseman Kjell Samuelsson, who played 14 NHL seasons.

Lepage -- Samuelsson: He inherited some of his father's size (6-6, 235) and is solid defensively. Scouts believe he has some offensive potential.

26. Washington Capitals

Kimelman -- Groulx: He might not be an offensive standout in the NHL but can play in all situations and could develop into a top checking center. With so many offensive-minded players in Washington, having someone with a willingness to play hard through all 200 feet could develop into a key piece.

Morreale -- McLeod: Can play in all situations and has the speed to take defensemen wide and gain the offensive zone with regularity.

Lepage -- Kotkaniemi: The Finland-born forward is producing offense while playing against men in Liiga, Finland's top pro league. But there are questions about his skating ability and that could drop him in the mind of some scouts.

27. Nashville Predators

Kimelman -- Thomas: A versatile center who also can play the wing, scouts like Thomas' skating and high-end 1-on-1 offensive skills.

Morreale -- Olofsson: A skilled playmaker with good acceleration, confidence and puck skills. He plays an effective two-way game.

Lepage -- McBain: He has the size of a prototypical power forward. McBain has done well playing in the Ontario Junior Hockey League and performed well at the World Junior A Challenge.

28. Boston Bruins

Kimelman -- Olofsson: Has a power-forward skill set and is developing nicely as a 17-year-old playing in Allsvenskan, Sweden's second-highest professional league.

Morreale -- Dominik Bokk, LW, Vaxjo Jr. (SWE-JR): Germany-born forward is a skilled puck mover with smooth hands, good offensive instincts and a good shot.

Lepage -- Noel: The big forward is a surprisingly powerful skater for a player of his size. With 17 goals in 40 games, he also has shown that he is capable of contributing offense.

29. Winnipeg Jets

Kimelman -- Alexander Alexeyev, D, Red Deer (WHL): He'd be a solid bookend to Logan Stanley (6-7, 226), the No. 18 pick of the 2016 draft. Alexeyev (6-3, 200) is a strong skater who is good at getting the puck out of his zone with quick, smart passes.

Morreale -- Jett Woo, D, Moose Jaw (WHL): The 6-foot, 205-pound right-shot defenseman is effective taking away time and space, and is one of the hardest hitters in the WHL.

Lepage -- Woo: Don't expect Woo to become an offensive defenseman in the NHL, but his defensive qualities could allow him to establish himself as a reliable future NHL player.

30. Vegas Golden Knights

Kimelman -- Woo: Projects as a player the opposition will hate playing against. He likes to play physical and has learned how to stay disciplined.

Morreale -- Blade Jenkins, LW, Saginaw (OHL): He is learning how to utilize his quickness and strength effectively in his first OHL season, and has 30 points (15 goals, 15 assists) in 44 games. Jenkins (6-1, 195) could be a player who rises fast during the second half.

Lepage -- Addison: He may be smaller than the average defenseman, but he has what most teams are looking for in a player at the position, speed and energy.

31. Tampa Bay Lightning

Kimelman -- Bokk: The Germany-born forward has impressed in his first season in Sweden, and earned a promotion to the Swedish Hockey League. With the Lightning flush with skill players, Bokk will get all the time he needs to develop.

Morreale -- Adam Ginning, D, Linkoping (SWE): A reliable 6-3, 196-pound two-way defenseman who is tough to beat 1-on-1 and is effective in transition.

Lepage -- Martin Kaut, RW, Pardubice (CZREP): The Czech Republic-born forward (6-1, 176) proved he belongs with the cream of the crop with seven points (two goals, five assists) in seven games at the 2018 World Junior Championship.

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Re: Draft 2018 ...
« Reply #87 on: January 26, 2018, 08:27:21 AM »

HockeyProspect.com Top 62 NHL Draft Prospects Ranking, January 25th, 2018.

RANK   PLAYER   POS   TEAM   LEAGUE   SHOT   HEIGHT   WEIGHT

1   Rasmus Dahlin   LD   Frolunda   SHL   L   6’2"   181
2   Andrei Svechnikov   RW   Barrie   OHL   L   6’1.5"   187
3   Filip Zadina   RW   Halifax   QMJHL   L   6’0"   198
4   Brady Tkachuk   LW   Boston U   NCAA   L   6’2"   194
5   Adam Boqvist   RD   Brynas J20   Superelit   R   5’10.75   168

6   Joel Farabee   LW   USNTDP   USHL   L   5’11"   164
7   Oliver Wahlstrom   RW/C   USNTDP   USHL   R   6’0"   205
8   Noah Dobson   RD   Acadie-Bathurst   QMJHL   R   6’3"   178
9   Quinn Hughes   LD   Michigan   NCAA   L   5’9"   168
10   Grigori Denisenko   LW/RC   Loko Yaroslavl   MHL   R   5’10"   165

11   Rasmus Kupari   RC   Karpat   Jr-A SM-Liiga   R   6’1.25"   183
12   Ty Smith   LD   Spokane   WHL   L   5’10.25"   176
13   Mattias Samuelsson   LD   USNTDP   USHL   L   6’3"   217
14   Isac Lundestrom   C/LW   Lulea HF   SHL   L   5’11.25"   178
15   Evan Bouchard   RD   London   OHL   R   6’2"   181

16   Jesperi Kotkaniemi   LC   Assat   Liiga   L   6’2"   190
17   Bode Wilde   RD   USNTDP   USHL   R   6’2"   195
18   K’Andre Miller   LD   USNTDP   USHL   L   6’3"   206
19   Jared McIssac   LD   Halifax   QMJHL   L   6’1"   195
20   Joe Veleno   LC   Drummondville   QMJHL   L   6’1"   195

21   Dominik Bokk   RW   Vaxjo J20   Superelit   R   6’1   178
22   Jacob Olofsson   LC   Timra IK   Allsvenskan   L   6’2"   193
23   Martin Kaut   RW   HC Dynamo Pardubice   Czech   R   6’1   174
24   Calen Addison   RD   Lethbridge   WHL   R   5’9"   178
25   Alexander Alexeeyev   LD   Red Deer   WHL   L   6’3   200

26   Jonathan Tychonick   LD   Penticton   BCHL   L   5’11"   165
27   Barrett Hayton   LW/C   Sault Ste Marie   OHL   L   6’1"   186
28   Jett Woo   RD   Moose Jaw   WHL   R   5'11.75"   205
29   Serron Noel   RW   Oshawa   OHL   R   6’3"   192
30   Jay O’Brien   RC   Thayer Academy   HS-MA   R   5’11"   170
31   Vitali Kravtsov   C/LW   Traktor Chelyabinsk   KHL   L   6’2"   170
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Re: Draft 2018 ...
« Reply #88 on: January 26, 2018, 09:36:58 AM »

... et on s'entend que je n'étais pas sérieux avec mon histoire de 30 choix en 2020.

Évidemment, une reconstruction n'est pas gage de succès, et même si c'est prometteur, une foule de circonstance peuvent venir la retarder ou la gâcher (ça a longtemps été le cas de Columbus, c'est toujours le cas en Floride, les Islanders ca dépend des années, Edmonton ont les croyaient bien partie mais.... Winnipeg sort enfin la tête de l'eau, etc.). Mais avec la profondeur du prochain repêchage et les gros noms des 2-3 prochaines années, le timing ne serait pas trop mauvais pour tenter sa chance et faire quelques mouvements intelligents pour au moins se donner des options en ce sens. S'il était possible d'ajouter quelques choix de 1-2-3e ronde au courant des trois prochaines années, j'irais vers cette voie, et c'est la base sur laquelle je construirais.

Faut croire que j'avais compris, quand même.

Mon point est juste que le CH doit devenir bon en recrutement et en développement de façon constante pour l'avenir, afin de pouvoir faire une rotation de talent tout en restant sous le Cap et ne plus nous offrir des périodes fastes et indigestes comme nous voyons depuis 25 ans. Des grosses années de repêchage avec plusieurs bons coups, suivis de repêchage sans talent feront en sorte qu'il n'y aura pas de répartition du talent et qu'il faudra le perdre via des échanges ou surpayer pour des agents libres inutilement à un moment donné.

CHI est l'exemple futur des clubs de la LNH, selon moi. Quelques vedettes (2, 3 ou 4) très (trop) bien payés et beaucoup de talent en rotation pour peupler le reste de l'alignement à travers les années, avec des choix difficiles à faire tout le temps. Habituez-vous aux quelques vedettes, mais ne tombez pas en amour avec les autres qui, souvent, ne seront que de passage. Afin de pouvoir gagner, il faudra savoir dénicher et développer les itinérants de notre club.

Gary Bettman vient de la NBA et le modèle de rémunération de cette ligue était dû, éventuellement, pour devenir celui de la LNH. Je le craignais du début car la hockey n'est pas un sport ou 3, 4, même 5 joueurs, tous seuls, font qu'une équipe gagnera, mais ça semble bien être ce que le hockey deviendra, pour ce qui est d'où l,argent sera dépensée, du moins.
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Re: Draft 2018 ...
« Reply #89 on: January 26, 2018, 10:34:21 AM »

... et on s'entend que je n'étais pas sérieux avec mon histoire de 30 choix en 2020.

Évidemment, une reconstruction n'est pas gage de succès, et même si c'est prometteur, une foule de circonstance peuvent venir la retarder ou la gâcher (ça a longtemps été le cas de Columbus, c'est toujours le cas en Floride, les Islanders ca dépend des années, Edmonton ont les croyaient bien partie mais.... Winnipeg sort enfin la tête de l'eau, etc.). Mais avec la profondeur du prochain repêchage et les gros noms des 2-3 prochaines années, le timing ne serait pas trop mauvais pour tenter sa chance et faire quelques mouvements intelligents pour au moins se donner des options en ce sens. S'il était possible d'ajouter quelques choix de 1-2-3e ronde au courant des trois prochaines années, j'irais vers cette voie, et c'est la base sur laquelle je construirais.

Faut croire que j'avais compris, quand même.

Mon point est juste que le CH doit devenir bon en recrutement et en développement de façon constante pour l'avenir, afin de pouvoir faire une rotation de talent tout en restant sous le Cap et ne plus nous offrir des périodes fastes et indigestes comme nous voyons depuis 25 ans. Des grosses années de repêchage avec plusieurs bons coups, suivis de repêchage sans talent feront en sorte qu'il n'y aura pas de répartition du talent et qu'il faudra le perdre via des échanges ou surpayer pour des agents libres inutilement à un moment donné.


Sur ça, je suis entièrement d'accord avec toi. Si on va vers une reconstruction, faut le faire intelligemment (ce qui implique, fort probablement, de changer les éléments en places aux postes de gestions, de recrutement et de développement. C'est une bonne année pour commencer, car on repêchera haut, et le repêchage a beaucoup de profondeur avec un gros top 100. Ça ne signifie pas de sacrer le feu à la bâtisse, mais de sélectionner le bon noyau de joueurs sur qui bâtir (et on est dû pour un changement de noyaux, je crois).
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